Sunday, November 30, 2014

Berber Figures


Figures

In this post we'll look at figures that are available and the reasons for choosing one brand over another. The list below does not represent all the figures that can be used but rather the ones that fit my requirements for this particular project.



When it comes to figure choices there are lots! Here are a few points to think on....

Priorities – compatibility, variation and quality in roughly equal measure. With that list then what’s on offer?



Gripping Beast El Cid range – a comprehensive range that for mine lacks a bit of variety for skirmish games but with poses quite suited for battle games. That said, there is enough in this range for a good variety of types likely to be encountered in a typical Skirmish Game based force, but the size is a touch small compared to the Gripping Beast Arab plastic boxed set and Artizan figure. The plastic figures do size well with the Crusade range from GB and I suspect they were sculpted to match that 'heftier' range of figures.The metal arabs do mix well with most Perry and Crusader figures and are generally no problem in the same or separate units. 

One thing to watch out for is size variation across figure ranges. GB seem to employ different sculptors or at least sculpt different sizes for some ranges. I ordered some Norman command figures and they are tiny in comparison to just about everything I have in heft and to a degree, size. They are very slight and won't be seeing service in the Reconquista!




Those Norman Command figures are tiny...nice sculpts though!




Gripping Beast (plastic boxed sets) – The plastic Arab Infantry set provides a large variety of posing variation and conversion possibilities, so they receive high marks for my needs. Their price point for large armies also is a plus and they are compatible with the other GB Dark Age warrior sets so there is a good deal of variation possibilities here. They mix best with the Artizan range and some packs of the Perry minis (which tend to be a bit smaller overall). 








Perry Miniatures – by far the most comprehensive range for cavalry in their First Crusades range and many useful packs of infantry. Some are a bit small however, but the Armenian Archer pack (for one) are a touch bigger and do rather well for Spanish infantry archers (as allies for the Almoravids). These figures match the GB plastic arabs also. The cavalry from the Crusades range and from the Sudan range, using the Baggara Horse, provides a good deal of variation for Arab cavalry types. With some Green stuff face veils which can easily be put on they should come up well. The Hopitaller Knights fought in Spain and the Perry First Crusade Hospitallers will fit the bill for the early military orders of the 12th century.




the Perry archers and GB Warriors go together nicely for Spanish or Andalusian Peone infantry 'bow and spear' units.




Crusader Miniatures – these guys do a specific El Cid range! The figures are cleanly cast, a touch squat, but otherwise quite compatible and are lovely sculpts, quite easy to paint…these will find their way into the Christian Armies and Mercenary forces, often allied to the Almoravid/Almohades forces. The separate ‘Spanish Shields’ packs are excellent to pick up to add to GB plastic infantry and Conquest Games cavalry forces. I was going to add these Spanish archers to the GB plastic foot as Peone infantry for the Christians, but have decided the Perry are a nicer fit with more variation in posing as well.


Note - the pics below (and above) have shots with the plastic Dark Age Warrior sets, which are smaller and closer to the Perry's in size. The plastic Arab set is bigger and you can see the size of them in the shot with the Black Tree figures below, which are on the bigger side also. Please also note the pics are taken to give an impression of size. I can say all these figures have nice detail levels and reward a good paint job and take the army painter/wash style of painting....my camera work was not the best in these pics.






The Crusader figure are nice, but the Perry Armenian Archers mix better with the Dark Age Warriors,
which are a touch smaller and slighter than than the Crusader, Artisan and BTD figures.



Artizan – they do a specific Almoravid range, so at first glance they seem like the natural choice. However they do lack a bit of variation in posing for skirmish games for mine, and even if you want massed forces then the one or two codes for a specific type to me means these minis fall down in the 'variation' criteria I laid out as a priority (for me). However they are excellent figures and blend well with the GB plastic Arabs so there is still much to use in this range, so they are recommended. I plan on using the Artizan Black Guard shield pack for near all my Almoravid forces, ditching the more Arabized teardrop shield look, opting for the more sinister hippo shields that are quite distinctive.






Conquest Games – similar to Crusader, their Norman cavalry and infantry boxes will make excellent troops as allies for the Almoravids and enemies as well. The Norman cavalry box is particularly good and with enough equipment and armour variation the Christian Caballeros Hidalgos, Caballeros and Caballeros Villanos can, for the most part, be made from the one box. Use the Spanish shields packs from Crusader Miniatures to make the figures more Iberian will help in this transformation. The Norman Infantry box does nicely for more heavily armed or equipped mercenary types.







The GB Dark Age Warriors vs the Artizan show the largest 'size spread'.
The Artisan minis are chunky and the GB not so, but with a shield in a massed or dispersed skirmish unit, they will do fine.




…all of the above figures fall into a high standard of figure sculpting with the Perrys being the nicest anatomically, Artizan the most dynamic and GB plastics being nice, crisp, plastic sprue infantry.



The above manufacturers will be the bulk of what I will use with the variation and kit bashing possibilities meaning the GB plastic Arabs will form the bulk of the troops, suitably green-stuffed with face veils to give them more of an Almoravid look.


Other manufacturers –
Eureka Miniatures – Sometime after I had purchased my GB plastic figures I discovered that Eureka have a very nice range of metal Almoravids. They have spearmen and archers in a variety of poses and are pretty nice. They are on the smaller size and mix rather well with the GB metals, being just a touch smaller than the GB plastics. For Skirmish games the spearmen lack a bit of pose variation, though the archers are fine in this regard. In massed units the spearmen pose is fine. I have a unit and they are nice figures...worth getting for some variation. I believe the owner is looking to expand this line so it is one to watch.




Black Tree Design - they do some nice figures in their Muslim Warriors range, which are on the slightly larger, but compatible size, with the GB plastics. They do a nice crossbow arab archer pack (the only one AFAIK) and picking bits and pieces out of the range will give extra variety. There are some nice medieval character packs that make excellent figures for skirmish games. The camel warrior range is the most comprehensive out there and quite nice, though I haven’t got many as they were used in limited (if any) numbers in Spain. BTD often have good sales and there range has many gems in it so I shall be picking the 'eye teeth' out this range for added variation. A back issue of Wargames, Soldiers and Strategy 'El Cid special' had many beautifully painted examples of BTD Muslims warriors and is worth tracking down for the article and pics.






Warlord Games – not much I could find though their Roman Camel warrior is very nice and will probably make its way into my force (converted) as the only camel unit (simply because it looks good!).



Fireforge Games – sadly they do not make any Arab cavalry types yet but their Military Order knights will be used for the later period military order troops for a Christian Army. The figures are very dynamic (maybe a bit too much) but overall they will work well, particularly for the later period 13th century stuff, not so much the El Cid period, which has troops more typically Norman-esque in style.





…I'm sure there are other figures out there around the First Crusade period but those above are the bulk of what I'll be looking to use for the period under consideration. One thing worth mentioning is that alot the above figures suitably painted and based will blend together in the same or opposing army...no question. You just need to be a bit careful when mixing within units if such things catch your eye.  For El Cid era collectors, there is a lot of good quality stuff to choose from.



So the plan is to use the Gripping Beast plastics for the bulk of the foot troops and the Perry Miniatures for the cavalry, all the rest for the tricky bits...





..next post we will look at some conversion work on the Gripping Beast plastic figures to take them from Saracen types to Berber types....


17 comments:

  1. Great article.
    I stuck to Gripping Beast metals for my Almohavids and Perry First Crusades for my Christian Spanish.
    I've never been that impressed with the Conquest plastic Knights, they never seem to go together well. The Gripping Beast plastics paint up well, but one of the problems with plastics is that they imply lots of variety available but once you start sticking them together there are a very limited range of poses you can make while keeping the figures looking 'natural'

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  2. Thanks Scrivs.

    I crawled over your website looking for inspiration! The games you guys put on were/are fantastic and pooling all your resources together really helps.

    I agree about the plastics, they are not all 'multi pose' desire what they say on the box. I think subtle variation is key however, not necessarily lots of different poses. I'm pretty happy with the look of how the plastic GB Arabs came out. Combined with some conversions they are a pretty dynamic lot IMHO, though sometimes a bit 'rigid' in certain poses. Not much you can do about that. Overall I think they satisfy the variation criteria well enough.

    Cheers

    Happy W

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  3. The new Eureka 'Saladin' range is well worth a look, including a camel-mounted drummer!

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  4. You're quite right Doug. I have both sets and forgot to mention it. In fact I've converted the kettle drummer into a mule mounted drummer...very nice it is to!

    Thanks for reminding me :-)

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  5. Nice article.
    Making me itch to get back to some El Cid painting and gaming (Scrivs...?)
    My Almoravids are mainly Black Tree with a few GB thrown into the mix - they mix well. The Black Guard are GB.
    I have the GB plastic set, but I find as i get older that sticking together fiddly plastics is a bit of a chore and I'd rather go for (fewer) metals.
    I must go back and finish a Christian army. I have quite a few GB models (some even painted) but really love the Crusader models and would ideally do the whole army using them.
    Looking forward to seeing how yours turn out.
    Tom

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  6. Hi Tom,

    Scrivs, Andy and James Morris must be part of your group I guess? I see Scrivs is giving 'To The Strongest' a good go and you guys have stacks of minis...maybe worth a try?

    I know what you mean about putting the plastic together. I kind of bought into the conversion, pose variation concept and cross pollination of parts from multiple plastic kits to give me a good deal of variation..which was something I was keen to get. Yes, it takes bait of time, but, at least for this project, to me it's worth it.

    The Crusader stuff is lovely and the Perry First Crusade certainly work for Christians as well. I'll be using a fair bit from both ranges.

    I'd like to see pics of your Almoravids...got a link?


    Cheers

    Happy W

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  7. Yup I'm lucky enough to play with James and Scrivs from time to time - though my lads' swimming club means I've not had time to game with them for ages. Andy's a bit further away, but we've played a fair few games too.
    Mine aren't as nice as theirs, but there are plenty of pictures over on my blog http://tomstoysoldiers.blogspot.co.uk/search/label/Almoravid or use the El Cid tag.
    Tom

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    1. ...man, you guys take it to the next level, Bloody great stuff Tom...and yours look just fine!

      I figures we mere mortals best stay away from the likes of Andy's painting standard...no point comparing to that ridiculously good painting ability...I find myself drooling at his website often!

      http://guitarheroandy.blogspot.com.au/search/label/El%20Cid


      ....anyone reading this check out Tom's blog as well....nice one mate. Between Andy, Scrivs and yourself there is bucket loads of inspiration for the rest of us...

      Cheers

      Happy W

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    2. Tom indeed is a great opponent to play against, however he always seems to have a good reason for not coming to the club :)
      I must pin him down to a game again one of these days.

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  8. There is one more plastic option that is specific to El Cid that you haven't looked at and that is the HaT industry range, they do Andalusian, Almoravid and Spanish troops with the only things that haven't been released yet being the Spanish Cavalry and Command in 28mm hard plastic.

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  9. HI Dave,

    I did look at the Hat solution..didn't mention it above, but I did look at it.

    They are indeed not a bad choice but the compatibility issue is the main problem for me and the mixing with Artizan, BTD, Perry, etc, etc. The Hat plastic are a bit small for that and with so much to choose from they were not really in the running to me. That said, they are an excellent way to get into El Cid stuff relatively easily and cheaply...probably best at the army scale level ala Hail Caesar.

    Thanks for bringing that up ;-)


    Happy W

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    1. I used the HaT camels when I wanted a load of Riding Camel markers for my units: http://scrivsland.blogspot.co.uk/2013/09/secret-weapons-of-almohads.html

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  10. If you are looking for cheap Arab cavalry check out the 28mm HaT El Cid range. The Horses are a perfect 28mm match to Fireforge. Only the riders heads need changing as they are too small...the perfect use for all those spare heads in the GB box !

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  11. An El Cid commander is spoiled for figure choices. Miniature Design Studio has a set of Berber figures which size will with Perry. Unfortunately, MDS sold the line & the figures are hard to come by these days. Musketeer has a selection of Berbers which size will with Artizan. Old Glory and Magister have inexpensive figures, in an older/less dynamic sculpting style.

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  12. Just discovered you review after... buying my figures :/

    Nice work in any case!

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  13. ...your welcome! Which figures did you buy

    ;-)

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  14. Plastic Gripping Beast infantry + dismounted warriors from Perry

    Bought also the Heavy cavalry set from GB and Mongols from fireforge (will do a conversion) I cannot like the GB light cavalry. Find them inexplicably atrocious...

    Was hesitating for a long time on Musketeer but opted for "light"

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